{"id":282,"date":"2007-04-03T10:42:17","date_gmt":"2007-04-03T14:42:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/oddempire.org\/weblog\/?p=282"},"modified":"2007-04-03T10:42:17","modified_gmt":"2007-04-03T14:42:17","slug":"horn-into-gilliland","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/2007\/04\/03\/horn-into-gilliland\/","title":{"rendered":"Horn into Gilliland"},"content":{"rendered":"
...as posted on James Gilliland's ECETI mailing list...<\/pre>\n
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Michael Horn, Billy Meier Exclusive Spokesman\r\n\r\nIn regard to this nonsense from the delusional Gilliland, it's time\r\nthat this be said clearly. Gilliland has absolutely NO firsthand\r\nknowledge of Meier, nor does he have anything to substantiate his\r\nassertions. Neither can he actually refer to, let alone comprehend\r\nthe voluminous, NON-contradictory information contained in the\r\n24,000+ pages of the information, single-handedly typed out by Meier\r\nover the past 32 years.\r\n\r\n\"Another Michael Assumption\"\r\n\r\nThe Meier material is so clearly beyond the comprehension of these\r\nNew Age wannabes that they are best left to stir in their little\r\ncultic mindset and play out their roles, unwittingly or not, as\r\nguinea pigs for military psy-ops.\r\n\r\n\"Ah feel the love and peronal slander when logic fails and the mirror\r\nshines brightly.\"\r\n\r\nIt obviously escapes their small intellectual capacity to understand\r\nthat advanced beings from light years from earth have absolutely NO\r\nneed to play hide and seek with a flock of hippies who love to run\r\nafter lights in the sky. If Gilliland and his friends want to think\r\nthat ETS are \"contacting\" them, they're entitled to their delusion.\r\nAll they have to do to straighten out people like me, who are more\r\nthan slightly spoiled by the wealth of tangible evidence and\r\ninformation in the Meier case, is to start putting something\r\nsubstantial on the table...the incoherent ramblings of people who are\r\nthemselves being misled, while they mislead others, doesn't qualify.\r\n\r\n\"Don't you just feel the love followed by slander and more\r\nassumptions that hide and seek is all others are doing followed by if\r\nhe knew what I knew, I have the elete info.\"\r\n\r\nMH\r\nwww.theyfly.com<\/a>\r\n\r\nJames Gilliland response: \r\n\r\nActually I studied the Meier Material when Michael Horn was just a\r\npup, know Wendle Stevens and Randolf Winters very well as well as\r\nBrit Elders most of which are baffled by the exclusivity and efforts\r\nto discredit all other contactees. I have read each one of his\r\ncontact notes watched his videos which is why I have asked the\r\nquestions about the many contradictions which are avoided in every\r\ncase. Michael Horn the exclusive franchise holder for the US of the\r\nBilly Meier story can only resort to the past evidence yet cannot\r\naddress the ongoing attacks and slanderous statements made by such\r\nenlightened souls as they profess to be. Try to get an answer from\r\nhim and he will twist it back to the past evidence followed by a\r\nflurry of arrogant slanderous comments. \r\n\r\nBilly's claim as being the only advanced master prophet on the earth\r\nand the only contactee is LAUGHABLE at least sad and delusional at\r\nbest. There are many very advanced teachers, healers and elders not\r\nto mention the gifted childen coming in that embarrase me at times\r\nwith their wisdom and connection to spirit. Their attempts to\r\ncentralize all the information and discredit everyone else is again\r\ncultish and falls into I am the way, the only way and lets arrogantly\r\nraise our egos above all others dismissing all other evidence\r\nconcerning other contacts and sightings. Evidence which is\r\nirrefutable to any reasonable mind. This of course having not a\r\nreasonable mind leaves them out of knowing the truth for every\r\ninvestigator and researcher that has asked them these questions is\r\nmet with attack and slander as well as total refusal to look at the\r\nevidence follwed by claims there is no evidence. It is starting to\r\nsound like Seth Shoestack with SETI.  This would be more accurate to\r\nsay nothing will ever be enough to change my mind that we are the way\r\nthe only way and contactees as the Meier camp professes, not even\r\ntheir own videos and books. \r\n\r\n\"The ego separates, is exclusive and inflates while at the same time\r\ntrying to deflate others, the spirit unifies, is supportive and is\r\nall inclusive.\"\r\n\r\nThe eclusivity, attacks and slander as well as the lack of base logic\r\nand congruency according to my spidy senses that something went wrong\r\nwith this group. \r\n\r\n Just like according to Billy all the crop circles were hoaxed, the\r\nsightings and contacts are all military black projects other than\r\nMeier's of course, even though many of the contacts especially with\r\nNative Americans and other indigenous people predate any black\r\nprojects. The contacts in Mexico, Peru, around the world are fully\r\ndocumented as ours yet there is a total disregard to investigate or\r\neven look at the evidence as in all cult mentalities and blind\r\nfollowers. The Yakama Elders speak of extremely advanced beings with\r\nships that are great healers some of which are in contact to this day\r\nalong with many Elders and chiefs from other Nations and their Star\r\nNation Prophecies. \r\n\r\nThe delusion is clearly in their camp and I do not see myself joining\r\nsoon, giving a portion of my income to the one true contactee, the\r\none true prophet chosen by, \"SPIRIT FORM\" knowing how ridiculous this\r\nsounds to any awakened person with a bit of logic and self esteem.\r\n\r\n With all the dimensions involved in the awakening and healing of\r\nHumanity and Earth possesing craft that Billy and his contacts do not\r\neven know of as well as the fact that Billy in his own books state\r\nthere are thousands of off world visitors coming to earth and at\r\nleast 7,500 contacts by his group alone it fails all logic and reason\r\nto say there is only one group and he is the only contactee. I fail\r\nto see any logic or benefit in his claims other than self\r\nagrandizement and profit?  I have never dimisssed his prior evidence\r\nIn fact I was once one of his greatest fans and supporters until all\r\nthe exclusivity and attacks began. In fact we asked Billy to look\r\ninto the contacts happening here which are well documented with a\r\nlong history only to be met with attacks and slanderous remarks. I\r\nhave addressed their recent behavior and motives which they continue\r\nto express as in the letter above. \r\n\r\nIf they want to make a buck and act like the contacts are still\r\nhappening which according to Billy's video and his notes stopped in\r\nthe late 70's due to him turning over in his mind and the group\r\nconsciousness not being able to maintain a frequency, the videos and\r\nbooks Michael seems to not have seen or read and demand a percentage\r\nof people incomes that is their karma. It is a discredit to the ufo\r\ncommunity however to continue with the sharade and unbecomming of an\r\nelightened master, the one true prophet of God and his spokesman with\r\nthe US franchise too continue to act in a way that is totally\r\ncontradictory and a complete paradox.<\/pre>\n
PS what do we do with the Boeing Engineers, Physicists, Skunkworks\r\nscientists that come to the ranch and have their own experience with\r\ncraft that come right on time due to telepathic communication as they\r\ndid last night arriving at 8:59 and 49 seconds for a film crew when I\r\ntold them they would buzz us at 9:00. What do we do with their\r\ntestimonies on Coast to Coast with 15 million listeners knowing what\r\nwe have back enginnered and saying these are not ours? What do we do\r\nwith the ships coming in every size shape and color, dropping in from\r\nother dimensions? How do we disqualify all the evidence so as to keep\r\nit all within the Meier box? By the way what does a franchise cost to\r\nbe the only authorized spokesman and how can I franchise out my\r\nstory? Can I have a clause in the contract to get people to attack\r\ncompete and slander all other researchers? The Meier story went from\r\nthere are no UFOs at the ranch in the beginning to there are UFOs and\r\nthey are all military after the evidence proved otherwise.  Just as\r\nall crop circles are hoaxed then some are made by lessor evolved ETs.\r\nAre Arcturians lessor evolved than your Plejarins with factions that\r\nsupported Hitler in the past again according to the contact notes and\r\nyour Coast to Coast interview? By the way as far as cults we dont\r\nhave a following, do not demand a percentage of income from people to\r\njoin and the news letter is about all you can join and it is free.\r\nPeople that come here are not followers just interested people in\r\ngetting to the truth. Could the pot possibly be calling the kettle\r\nblack?<\/pre>\n
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…as posted on James Gilliland’s ECETI mailing list… Michael Horn, Billy Meier Exclusive Spokesman In regard to this nonsense from the delusional Gilliland, it’s time that this be said clearly. Gilliland has absolutely NO firsthand knowledge of Meier, nor does … Continue reading →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","WB4WB4WP_MODE":"","WB4WP_PAGE_SCRIPTS":"","WB4WP_PAGE_STYLES":"","WB4WP_PAGE_FONTS":"","WB4WP_PAGE_HEADER":"","WB4WP_PAGE_FOOTER":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-282","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/282","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=282"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/282\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=282"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=282"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oddempire.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=282"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}